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Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 19:53
Dolo
If we consider the current version 1.2 as a full-fledged version of the original version, would it not be appropriate that everyone can choose the version he wants without no problems for that all versions can live together especially when it comes to online play.
Indeed, we can discern two versions:
- The original Acclaim = 1.1 (obsolete)
- the version stamped 1.2 that I could divide into two categories:
The beta, very close to 1.1, recommended by the developers themselves and that remove several bugs, compatible with operating systems such as vista or seven.
And finally the latest version, the alpha bringing a lot of new features but that consequently doing inexorably to evolve the game to a slightly different gameplay, even knowing that alpha is by definition always more or less instable ...
Given the proximity between 1.1 and beta 0208, we can conclude today that actually two different versions can be used, namely the 0208 beta and the latest alpha ...

My question is: How do I do if I don't want all these new features debouch to a slightly different gameplay? Do i have a way to bypass it and the opportunity to play with other players in online mode?

On RVHouse, the most used version is currently the last alpha, there is since some months an option called late joining that allow to join a race already begun ...
Suppose I wanted to use the beta 0208 as the default version for online race. This is very close to 1.1, so it is with it that I have better feelings, so it is best version for me. Since my choice is made, I rub a dilemma on RVHouse. I can only participate at the race in "all version mode", that represent 1% of games created ... which closes the doors permanently to the game hosted by alphas v1.2, especially because of late joining.

If we consider the late joining as a real breakthrough in the management of multiplayer online, which by definition has no direct impact on gameplay, would not it make sense to implement it directly in the beta 0208 today?? I think this is the new feature that precisely prevents actual versions to cohabitate... (in only mode 1.2, knowing that 1.1 is no longer used, the "all versions" mode become useless)

The beta 0208 disappearing in some time in favor for the next stable release, one could imagine that it then becomes a final stable version intended for the followers of 1.1 by adding only the late joining feature, then it could be named like today, the version 1.2.

So we could differentiate an another version with all the news features related to the game itself but which can change the gameplay ...
This version is currently in development mode (alpha) could then take the declination of version1.3.

It would suffice that version 1.2 can coexist so much easier with version 1.3 when a game is created in "only 1.2" mode  with either 1.2 or 1.3 and all this with the late joining for the two versions ...

Basically it would be:
=> Version 1.2: the beta 0208 very close to the original version without big new features just graft the late joining that keeps any compatibility ...
=> Version 1.3: revised version with a lot of new features, good or less good, but still remaining compatible with 1.2 for the late joining.

It may seem a little wacky, but on paper I think it's far from impossible to do ...
The community on RVHouse is already not very big, so if we can ensure that it is not divided, it would be a very good thing ...
Then I imagine that it's not really how you see the evolution of version 1.2, but it is important even to think and listen to what guys like me have to say (because I believe not be the only one to think like that).

I wait your reactions !
Si nous considérons à l'heure actuelle la version 1.2 comme une version à part entière de la version originale, ne serait-il pas convenable que chacun puisse choisir la version qu'il veut sans que cela ne pose aucun problème pour les faire cohabiter ensemble notamment lorsqu'il s'agit de jouer en ligne.
En effet, nous pouvons dissocier depuis quelques temps 2 versions:
- la version originale Acclaim = 1.1 (obsolète)
- la version estampillé 1.2 que je pourrais diviser en 2 catégories :
La beta, très proche de la 1.1, recommandée par les développeurs eux-même et qui gomme plusieurs bugs en étant surtout compatible avec les systèmes d'exploitation tel que vista ou seven.
Et enfin la toute dernière version, l'alpha apportant son lot de nouveautés mais qui par conséquence font évoluer inexorablement le jeu vers un gameplay un peu différent, même en sachant qu'une alpha sera par définition toujours plus ou moins instable...
Vu la proximité entre la 1.1 et la beta 0.208, on peut donc en conclure qu'aujourd'hui 2 versions réellement différentes peuvent être utilisées, à savoir la beta 0208 et la derniere alpha...

Ma question est donc : Comment puis-je faire si finalement je ne veux pas de toutes ces nouveautés puisque celles-ci débouchent sur un gameplay légèrement différent ? Ai-je un moyen de pouvoir contourner ça en ayant toujours la possibilité de jouer avec les autres joueurs en réseau ?

Sur rvhouse, la version la plus utilisée est actuellement la dernière alpha, elle possède depuis plusieurs mois déjà une option à savoir le late joining qui permet de rejoindre une partie en réseau déjà entamée...
Imaginons que je veuille utiliser la beta 0208 comme version par défaut pour jouer en ligne. Celle-ci étant très proche de la 1.1, c'est donc avec elle que j'ai les meilleures sensations, elle est donc la mieux adaptée pour moi. Dès lors que mon choix est fait, je me frotte à un dilemme sur rvhouse. Je ne peux que participer aux parties en mode all versions, soit 1% des parties créées... Cela me ferme irrémédiablement les portes vers les parties hostées par les alphas en mode v1.2, notamment à cause du late joining.

Si on considère alors le late joining comme une réelle avancée dans la gestion des parties multijoueurs en ligne, et qui par définition n'a pas de conséquences directes sur le gameplay, ne serait-il pas judicieux de l'implanter directement dans la beta 0208 dès aujourd'hui ??? C'est cette nouveauté je pense qui justement empêche une réelle cohabitation des versions... (notamment en mode only 1.2, sachant que la 1.1 n'est plus utilisée, le mode all version finit par être inutile)

La beta 0208 disparaissant dans quelque temps au profit de la prochaine version stable, on pourrait imaginer que celle ci devienne alors une version définitivement stable destiné pour les adeptes de la 1.1 en lui ajoutant seulement le late joining en plus, elle pourrait alors porter comme aujourd'hui les chiffres 1.2.

Ce qui permettrait de décliner une autre version avec alors toutes les nouveautés liées au jeu en lui-même mais qui sont susceptibles dès lors de modifier le gameplay...
Cette version actuellement en mode de développement (alpha) pourrait prendre alors la déclinaison 1.3.

Il suffirait alors que la version 1.2 puisse cohabiter de façon beaucoup plus simple avec la version 1.3 lorsqu'une partie est crée en mode only 1.2 que ce soit avec la 1.2 ou la 1.3 et tout ceci avec le late joining pour les deux...

En gros ça donnerait :
=> version 1.2 : beta 0208 très proche de l'originale sans grandes nouveautés en greffant juste le late joining qui permet de garder toute compatibilité...
=> version 1.3 : version remaniée de façon conséquente avec son lot de nouveautés bonnes ou moins bonnes, mais en restant toujours compatible avec la 1.2 pour le late joining.

Ça peut paraître un peu farfelu mais sur le papier je trouve que c'est loin d'être impossible à faire...
La communauté sur rvhouse n'est déjà pas bien grande, alors si on peut faire en sorte que celle-ci ne soit pas divisée, ce serait une très bonne chose...
Après j'imagine bien que ce n'est pas vraiment comme ça que vous envisagez l'évolution de la version 1.2, mais c'est quand meme important d'y réfléchir et d'écouter ce que les gars comme moi ont à dire (car je crois ne pas être le seul à penser comme ça).

J'attends vos réactions !

Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 21:27
Citywalker
I think this is a very good idea.

Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 21:43
Phantom
Me too.

Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 23:10
sebr
me too

Posted: 09 Jul 2013, 13:54
RacerBG
"...that represent 1% of games created..."

In the other words for me this means that actually no one is using the beta or the 1.207 patch or the original game 1.1. ;)

For me the only strange thing is that the beta is untouched for a long time and it's very outdated. To upgrade only one version is easier yes but this can cause misunderstanding to the new players because they will not know what version to choose. For me it was the same case - "the beta is more stable" I grabbed it just to understand that the alpha was used instead. The players only need from a clear statement what version to use - that's all. :)

Posted: 09 Jul 2013, 15:04
Dolo
RacerBG @ Jul 9 2013, 09:24 AM wrote:"...that represent 1% of games created..."

In the other words for me this means that actually no one is using the beta or the 1.207 patch or the original game 1.1. ;)

For me the only strange thing is that the beta is untouched for a long time and it's very outdated. To upgrade only one version is easier yes but this can cause misunderstanding to the new players because they will not know what version to choose. For me it was the same case - "the beta is more stable" I grabbed it just to understand that the alpha was used instead. The players only need from a clear statement what version to use - that's all.
I explained why all players in RvHouse used the alpha, for one reason, the late joining... It becomes essential in a multiplayer race...

Posted: 10 Jul 2013, 21:38
Stingox
I strongly support this idea

Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 15:43
urnemanden
RacerBG @ Jul 9 2013, 09:24 AM wrote: For me the only strange thing is that the beta is untouched for a long time and it's very outdated.
As far as I understand, the primary reason to that there haven't been a new beta release in such a long time is because Re-Volt 1.2 has evolved so much that updating the documentation on the Re-Volt 1.2 website and describing all the new features would take a very long time. Hence, I think Jigebren/Huki would rather spend the spare time they have developing new features for themselves and the community than releasing a new beta which essentially won't add anything new besides documentation.

I personally feel Dolo's proposal only complicates the situation. I think having two branches of Re-Volt complicates the maintenance and development too much - it is especially not worth the effort because the Re-Volt community is this small and hence you are dividing the potential target group into even smaller target groups. This is just how I feel on the subject, though.

Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 21:08
Dolo
urnemanden @ Jul 12 2013, 11:13 AM wrote:
RacerBG @ Jul 9 2013, 09:24 AM wrote: For me the only strange thing is that the beta is untouched for a long time and it's very outdated.
As far as I understand, the primary reason to that there haven't been a new beta release in such a long time is because Re-Volt 1.2 has evolved so much that updating the documentation on the Re-Volt 1.2 website and describing all the new features would take a very long time. Hence, I think Jigebren/Huki would rather spend the spare time they have developing new features for themselves and the community than releasing a new beta which essentially won't add anything new besides documentation.

I personally feel Dolo's proposal only complicates the situation. I think having two branches of Re-Volt complicates the maintenance and development too much - it is especially not worth the effort because the Re-Volt community is this small and hence you are dividing the potential target group into even smaller target groups. This is just how I feel on the subject, though.
Online racers are the core of the community, the most important...
Sometimes, some guys forgot that...

Posted: 06 Jan 2014, 18:19
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Posted: 19 May 2014, 13:41
Abc
i think the beta should stay renamed as "classic" and the alpha renamed to upstream or simply revolt 1.2.
Also,Why not taking beta 0208 code and add online patches (not many) and remain compatible with upstream 1.2 "protocol"?*

like backporting 0208.


What you guys think?


*so dolo quits raging